É sempre bom aprender, nem que seja o básico, de uma outra língua. Obrigado pela sua resposta (em inglês), se fosse na sua língua eu não a teria compreendido.
It's always good to learn, even just the basics of another language. Thank you for your reply (in English), if in your language than I would have understood.
Yes, Cyprus is Devided country since 1973. North and south people able to cross the border freely. Nowadays, cyprus is going to become defragmented as before 1973. Two country people has much dubts but most of them want to be united soon.
Dear stefanol, i recommend you not to make us angry with greeks. If so ... you know what we can do. As you see we put you flag to your... I hope you understand.
Do you think the Turkish Troops came to this country for a trip? Dont you remember the faults of the greeks before 1973 ? Do you think your people are angel? This is your first mistake. The greeks call our troops to the island. You must read the history very well and carefully. We never want war and blood. The Turks are not same with you. We use the tolerance first, but if we can't see the reply, the opponent selects the approach and procedure to make interaction with us. Use the peace, use the ethic words then be sure to see friendly approach.
Look the sentence :"THE GOOD turkish, IS THE DEAD TURKISH"
Ok, if so i have the right to say :"THE GOOD greek, IS THE DEAD greek"
I am glad to hear that Turks in Cyprus want peace.
I am Greek and I respect all cultures, including Turkish, and I wand peace too.
However I can’t be very peaceful with a Turkish flag on top of my house.
so the Greeks called the turkish troops. the turks did not actually invaded Cyprus? So Constantinopole also called you? And Smyrni? Wow you are great!
Turkish troops just a call away!
History is not written in few years, even though lifetime is not enough to read it!
Turks have been killing many-many years ago. They have not been killing and stealing properties only in Cyprus. This attitude is back in years. They have been doing this in Europe, when their empire was spread in the heart of Europe. And for the years we most likely remember they killed and misplaced millions of Armenians, the Greeks in the area that today they call as their country, they destroyed monuments in this area as they did when they invaded Cyprus in 1974, they tried to invate Iraq but the USA said a big NO. That's their policy in years. To kill and steal. This flag, big or small, belongs to them and is synonymous to terrorism. It's good to be there! To remind us that the killers and terrorists are still in our country. The invaters are still in our country. When the flag goes, freedom will come.
As everybody know (but you dont know) we did not spread the blood in the countries that we have conquered in the past. Also near history is telling us about greeks savagery. Look to "World War I", you and other uncivilized countries are attacked ,as rabid dogs, to our country to reave our land!
Your brain is not capable to understand the truth. Because your brains are not free!
I am not going to make personal attacks mr Satir. My brain cannot reach that high as yours. Read history as it was, not as fanatically you had it given to you in yours schools.
However, you, being the grandson of the Ottoman Empire, you are the grandson of all the killers and terrorists, and you are going to be cursed forever by the souls of all the people murdered in cold blood in Armenia in Asia, as well as in the heart of europe.
This flag of yours, it must have been raised in all Europe as well, during the Ottoman Empire. Now its not there! The word forever its too long for your brains to capture. You, and your flag, were in Europe, the balkans, Armenia, and Greece for many-many years. But you are not there forever. You are not there any longer. Told, you your brain cannot reveive the word forever. Its too big for you. Tell you one more thing. I will not enter this side any more, you seem to enter here everyday, being the grandson of the Ottoman Empire. I will leave you rest in peace, forever!
Why should I be ashamed Mr. Satir? You should be ashamed. Why? Because, you, and others like you, being the grandson of the Ottoman Empire invated Cyprus, evicted 200000 people from their land and start selling their property to make money. Probably to get the money you spent when invating the country.
But finally this has proven, about 30 years later, to be illegal (Orams case in the British Courts). What that this mean? That sooner or later you will give back to the legal owners the land you sold to foreigners, and sooner or later the foreigners will request their money back from you. Therefore, the best think to do is to start gathering money to make the necessary refunds. Or else you may end up in prison! Not the kind of "prison" you established in the stolen properties in the occupied areas. Sooner or later, mr Satir, the invasion of Turkey is going to turn into a nightmare for you!
You and your tribe members are enjoying with each others funny words.
Did you created that land? :) hahahaha
If you were worthy to have that land, you would have! But NO! Put that in your empty brain.
Dont dream the money from us... Only look for the spit on the ground. That will be only you will have in the future! You always lived in the dream and fantasy. So try live in same way. If you say "no", you will lose your dreams also!
Fact 1: You did not create that land, you just invated and captured it.
Fact 2: Courts are deciding today that this act is not legal (Orams case in British Courts).
Fact 3: The ground that now is occupied is european land, and Cyprus Republic entered the european union as a whole.
Fact 3: You still hahahahaha failing to see what's coming in the future.
Fact 4: Now its very-very-very difficult for you to sell stollen property any more. Hahahaha.
What a stupid facts are they, listen idiot greek :
Fuck 1 : We did not create that land, ofcourse, also you did not too, so do NOT speak as owners of that island. Every land change its owner in the history. Do not speak bla bla anymore about that issue.
Fuck 2 : Orams case is a personal case. You can NOT universalize it. Because courts does not universalize it.
Fuck 3 : EU's decisions and practice does not interest US. EU is a fucked Christian club managed as mediaeval church!
Fuck 3.5 : You little brain! Are the oracles working in your country to make decisions about cyprus future? Oh my dear friend, get out from the prehistoric ages. Live the truth now. Ha&Ha&Ha
Fuck 4 : It's not important dear friend, i know, with that thought & idea you will lose other part of island soon. Hahahahahahahahah
Oh, sir thank you for expressing yourself the way did. Why? Because you actually gave proof of what I have been saying. That you invated Cyprus, conquered the land and evicted people from their houses just because over the years every land must changes owners! Oh, dear sir, over the years, after a war, no person lost its property. Give me one example of people loosing their property after a defeat! Only savages proceed in this kind of occupation of conquered land. In Europe, as an example, easter Berlin has now been united to the western Berlin, but not even one person lost its property over the years. Of course owners may have died during the years, but the property still belongs to their sons, grandsons and so forth.
Another thing, sir, is that the land you conquered, belongs to greeks since ancient times. It was only during the Ottoman Empire that you came in Cyprus, consisting only the 18% of the population.
As far as the Oram case, think whatever you like. Every decision of a court is generalized whether you want it or not. Every person that bought stollen property is bound to suffer exactly the same as the Orams did. They will loose the stollen property the bought. And you, the cheaters may find yourselves in courts.
Oh, another thing sir, thank you for leting europeans to read you as to how you think about them and how you respect the "CHRISTIAN CLUB" as you say. Thank you very much indeed as to expressing yourself into FUCKING the christian club managed as medieval church. Its good that people from Europe and the United states can read the EUROPEAN DEMOCRACY is just medieval, while you, expatriating people from their homes are modern and civilized!
Oh, dear sir, the truth now has never been the same over the years. The truth was different before and it will be different in the future. Live now the truth yourself being smart. As far as the way you "numbered" your thoughts, its there to be read by all that open the site. So that they will see your respect towards other and the European Union. To see how obvious was what the people suffered here because of your mentality and civilization.
If Turks wanted to destroy a Civilization, who or which country could prevent from doing genocide? If this is Ottoman Empire? Every civilization continue its life more poverfull (at least) as before, after the Ottoman Empire. If Turks wanted to destroy Armenia or Greek countries, Turks could, but did not!
But it seems now, the Armenia and Greek populations are regretful from Turks amicably treatments to them in the History.
We are regretful too, not to destroy their culture and civilization as France, Great (!) Britain, US, China, Spain, Portuguese, Italy, etc. countries did in the history!
But we cant, because we cant. Because you cant see savagery at our culture. Savagery is western culture, used to east.
Ovviamente il signore sta sognando, non sa cos'e' la storia, non sa nemmeno cos'e'il mondo greco, o meno ancora com'e' la figura turca in europa. Sanno benissimo che non possono occupare un paese solo per il gusto di farlo. Quella foto con quella vergogna di bandiera loro, riconosciuta come bandiera solo dall'unico paese che era ovvio che lo faceva cioe' la turchia, la quale ovviamente ha occupato nel 1974 cipro, e non nel 1973 ed ovviamente come parte nordica turca di cipro. Unico paese nel mondo... Gli artefici del massacro dei greco-ciprioti. Sempre e solamente la turchia. Si sa che per entrare nella comunita' europea, cipro essendo una repubblica dal 1960, non poteva che non entrare tutta assieme. E' entrata tutta, ma senza che la parte occupata di cipro avesse voce in capitolo, essendo invasori. La repubblica di cipro ha rispettato i turco-ciprioti, perche' sono ciprioti, e che non hanno nulla a che fare con i turchi della turchia. Per quanto riguarda le proprieta' dalla parte che loro occupano che sono state vendute a destra e manca, sappiamo benissimo che una dopo l'altra tornano ai leggitimi proprietari. E cioe' ai greco ciprioti... o meglio ai ciprioti. L'europa non puo' come anche la turchia, dimenticare le leggi internazionali. I ciprioti sono pacifici. Lo vediamo giornalmente. Danno loro passaporti, soldi, pensioni e via dicendo... e' la reppublica che risponde, e non gli invasori, che nemmeno elettricita' hanno o acqua, ed usufruiscono il tt da chi sa che la democrazia e' tale, e la democrazia e' nata dai greci. Da greci andiamo avanti. E' vero che ci sono interesse da piu' paesi per quest' isola, ma si pieghera' l'europa ad aprire le porte ai turchi? Cipro dara' la risposta in tt questo. Speriamo non capitera' la stessa cosa come con kostantinopolis, rinominata dai turchi ora Instanbul e di tante isolette greche di minor importanza... Dio e' grande. Europa sara' grande per questo cancro turco?
P.S. E rimuovete questa fesseria del tutto fascista da questo sito... bandiera di uno stato inesistente... provocatorio ed invasore, che chiede solo l'elemosina dai ciprioti per tt. E' una vergogna per noi europei.
Conosciamo la democrazia di Europa! Conosciamo la democrazia degli S.U.A.! Non parli della democrazia e dei diritti dell'uomo! Conosciamo le vostre esecuzioni in Africa, in Asia inoltre nel nostro paese. Eravate come i cani infuriati mentre attacando alla nostra gente, non lontano, soltanto in 1915, 1920…
I paesi e gli Stati Uniti europan criminali non possono parlare della democrazia! Poiché, i paesi che avete lasciato non sono nella pace e nella presenza!
L'impero dell'ottomano non è stesso con voi. Ogni società ha vissuto nell'impero dell'ottomano nel passato, è in una buona situazione ed ha loro paesi.
Ciò è la differenza fra voi e noi! Non parli molto idiota!
Comments
herhandunya, on July 20, 2008, said:
Kenan bey; çok teşekkür ederiz.
Kenan SATIR, on July 20, 2008, said:
Rica ve selam ederim.
José Nery Galvão, on July 25, 2008, said:
It really is a great flag, had much work and willingness to make this work giant.
How do I learn your language.
Abraços, do Brasil: >> Jng.
Kenan SATIR, on August 5, 2008, said:
it's about 2 months of work. Why do you want to learn to speek our language?
digo el "hi" al Brasil :)
José Nery Galvão, on August 5, 2008, said:
É sempre bom aprender, nem que seja o básico, de uma outra língua. Obrigado pela sua resposta (em inglês), se fosse na sua língua eu não a teria compreendido.
It's always good to learn, even just the basics of another language. Thank you for your reply (in English), if in your language than I would have understood.
Abraços. Do Brasil. =>> Jng.
Kenan SATIR, on August 6, 2008, said:
Hi again José Nery, There is a good page about Turkish Language, It has basic level of the grammer, and you can hear the voices about the verbs.
A Turkish Language Grammar with explanations for English Speakers : http://www.turkishlanguage.co.uk
Please let me know if you need more resources.
Abraços.
Kenan SATIR, on August 6, 2008, said:
Note: You need the install Turkish language to your web browser to see the web page and special turkish alphabet characters.
Kenan SATIR, on October 25, 2008, said:
Sağolasın Hasan hocam. Selamlar
14MAN02, on November 26, 2008, said:
Nice picture, greetings from germany!!!
jaewoo.shin, on December 2, 2008, said:
Hi i'm korean. i've question. is cyprus is divided contry? north cyprus, south cyprus people can come and go?
Kenan SATIR, on December 2, 2008, said:
Hi jaewoo shin,
Yes, Cyprus is Devided country since 1973. North and south people able to cross the border freely. Nowadays, cyprus is going to become defragmented as before 1973. Two country people has much dubts but most of them want to be united soon.
Take care, regards and greetings to korea.
Kenan SATIR, on February 17, said:
Nomatterhowyousay! We know the truth.
Kenan SATIR, on February 21, said:
lies does not require democracy!
Kenan SATIR, on March 2, said:
You know the mean, i dont need it.
Kenan SATIR, on March 13, said:
Dear stefanol, i recommend you not to make us angry with greeks. If so ... you know what we can do. As you see we put you flag to your... I hope you understand.
Kenan SATIR, on March 18, said:
We dont speak the important things, we only do!
Kenan SATIR, on March 18, said:
And greeks, you all, use lowercase!
Kenan SATIR, on March 18, said:
Do you think the Turkish Troops came to this country for a trip? Dont you remember the faults of the greeks before 1973 ? Do you think your people are angel? This is your first mistake. The greeks call our troops to the island. You must read the history very well and carefully. We never want war and blood. The Turks are not same with you. We use the tolerance first, but if we can't see the reply, the opponent selects the approach and procedure to make interaction with us. Use the peace, use the ethic words then be sure to see friendly approach.
Look the sentence :"THE GOOD turkish, IS THE DEAD TURKISH"
Ok, if so i have the right to say :"THE GOOD greek, IS THE DEAD greek"
Is that the right way?
Dr. Stef_Jo, on March 25, said:
Nice flag! Wrong Place!!!!!!!
Kenan SATIR, on March 26, said:
This flag reminds greeks faults to themselves.
Kenan SATIR, on March 26, said:
...and keeps away the genocide from the cyprus.(remember the years before 1973!)
captaindorego, on April 2, said:
you should not think like this PEACE
NTAMASIOS, on April 8, said:
I am glad to hear that Turks in Cyprus want peace. I am Greek and I respect all cultures, including Turkish, and I wand peace too. However I can’t be very peaceful with a Turkish flag on top of my house.
nicolasiac, on April 14, said:
so the Greeks called the turkish troops. the turks did not actually invaded Cyprus? So Constantinopole also called you? And Smyrni? Wow you are great! Turkish troops just a call away!
take always care, on May 12, said:
History is not written in few years, even though lifetime is not enough to read it!
Turks have been killing many-many years ago. They have not been killing and stealing properties only in Cyprus. This attitude is back in years. They have been doing this in Europe, when their empire was spread in the heart of Europe. And for the years we most likely remember they killed and misplaced millions of Armenians, the Greeks in the area that today they call as their country, they destroyed monuments in this area as they did when they invaded Cyprus in 1974, they tried to invate Iraq but the USA said a big NO. That's their policy in years. To kill and steal. This flag, big or small, belongs to them and is synonymous to terrorism. It's good to be there! To remind us that the killers and terrorists are still in our country. The invaters are still in our country. When the flag goes, freedom will come.
Kenan SATIR, on May 12, said:
Mr. Stelios Stavrinides,
As everybody know (but you dont know) we did not spread the blood in the countries that we have conquered in the past. Also near history is telling us about greeks savagery. Look to "World War I", you and other uncivilized countries are attacked ,as rabid dogs, to our country to reave our land!
Your brain is not capable to understand the truth. Because your brains are not free!
Bad News!
This flag will remain fovever.
Bad News!
You and your brain will not be free forever!
Best Regards (!)
Kenan SATIR
Grandson of the Ottoman Empire
take always care, on May 13, said:
I am not going to make personal attacks mr Satir. My brain cannot reach that high as yours. Read history as it was, not as fanatically you had it given to you in yours schools.
However, you, being the grandson of the Ottoman Empire, you are the grandson of all the killers and terrorists, and you are going to be cursed forever by the souls of all the people murdered in cold blood in Armenia in Asia, as well as in the heart of europe.
This flag of yours, it must have been raised in all Europe as well, during the Ottoman Empire. Now its not there! The word forever its too long for your brains to capture. You, and your flag, were in Europe, the balkans, Armenia, and Greece for many-many years. But you are not there forever. You are not there any longer. Told, you your brain cannot reveive the word forever. Its too big for you. Tell you one more thing. I will not enter this side any more, you seem to enter here everyday, being the grandson of the Ottoman Empire. I will leave you rest in peace, forever!
Kenan SATIR, on May 13, said:
I'm doing both. Personal & Popular! Because you are the trickster of the old world!
You Greeks, do you think you have the country gained even without one drop of blood?
Are you the sole innocent people of the civilization?
You liars! Do not belie the world! Shame on you!
take always care, on May 16, said:
Why should I be ashamed Mr. Satir? You should be ashamed. Why? Because, you, and others like you, being the grandson of the Ottoman Empire invated Cyprus, evicted 200000 people from their land and start selling their property to make money. Probably to get the money you spent when invating the country.
But finally this has proven, about 30 years later, to be illegal (Orams case in the British Courts). What that this mean? That sooner or later you will give back to the legal owners the land you sold to foreigners, and sooner or later the foreigners will request their money back from you. Therefore, the best think to do is to start gathering money to make the necessary refunds. Or else you may end up in prison! Not the kind of "prison" you established in the stolen properties in the occupied areas. Sooner or later, mr Satir, the invasion of Turkey is going to turn into a nightmare for you!
Kenan SATIR, on May 16, said:
:) so funny,
You and your tribe members are enjoying with each others funny words.
Did you created that land? :) hahahaha
If you were worthy to have that land, you would have! But NO! Put that in your empty brain.
Dont dream the money from us... Only look for the spit on the ground. That will be only you will have in the future! You always lived in the dream and fantasy. So try live in same way. If you say "no", you will lose your dreams also!
You coward, hooligan & bummer greeks!
take always care, on May 16, said:
Fact 1: You did not create that land, you just invated and captured it. Fact 2: Courts are deciding today that this act is not legal (Orams case in British Courts). Fact 3: The ground that now is occupied is european land, and Cyprus Republic entered the european union as a whole. Fact 3: You still hahahahaha failing to see what's coming in the future. Fact 4: Now its very-very-very difficult for you to sell stollen property any more. Hahahaha.
Kenan SATIR, on May 20, said:
What a stupid facts are they, listen idiot greek :
Fuck 1 : We did not create that land, ofcourse, also you did not too, so do NOT speak as owners of that island. Every land change its owner in the history. Do not speak bla bla anymore about that issue.
Fuck 2 : Orams case is a personal case. You can NOT universalize it. Because courts does not universalize it.
Fuck 3 : EU's decisions and practice does not interest US. EU is a fucked Christian club managed as mediaeval church!
Fuck 3.5 : You little brain! Are the oracles working in your country to make decisions about cyprus future? Oh my dear friend, get out from the prehistoric ages. Live the truth now. Ha&Ha&Ha
Fuck 4 : It's not important dear friend, i know, with that thought & idea you will lose other part of island soon. Hahahahahahahahah
Be well mannered, live more chuffed!
take always care, on May 20, said:
Oh, sir thank you for expressing yourself the way did. Why? Because you actually gave proof of what I have been saying. That you invated Cyprus, conquered the land and evicted people from their houses just because over the years every land must changes owners! Oh, dear sir, over the years, after a war, no person lost its property. Give me one example of people loosing their property after a defeat! Only savages proceed in this kind of occupation of conquered land. In Europe, as an example, easter Berlin has now been united to the western Berlin, but not even one person lost its property over the years. Of course owners may have died during the years, but the property still belongs to their sons, grandsons and so forth.
Another thing, sir, is that the land you conquered, belongs to greeks since ancient times. It was only during the Ottoman Empire that you came in Cyprus, consisting only the 18% of the population.
As far as the Oram case, think whatever you like. Every decision of a court is generalized whether you want it or not. Every person that bought stollen property is bound to suffer exactly the same as the Orams did. They will loose the stollen property the bought. And you, the cheaters may find yourselves in courts.
Oh, another thing sir, thank you for leting europeans to read you as to how you think about them and how you respect the "CHRISTIAN CLUB" as you say. Thank you very much indeed as to expressing yourself into FUCKING the christian club managed as medieval church. Its good that people from Europe and the United states can read the EUROPEAN DEMOCRACY is just medieval, while you, expatriating people from their homes are modern and civilized!
Oh, dear sir, the truth now has never been the same over the years. The truth was different before and it will be different in the future. Live now the truth yourself being smart. As far as the way you "numbered" your thoughts, its there to be read by all that open the site. So that they will see your respect towards other and the European Union. To see how obvious was what the people suffered here because of your mentality and civilization.
Kenan SATIR, on May 20, said:
Listen Idiot,
Cyprus is Turk from 1571, It's more than 300 years!!! We lose the half of that country because of traitor Great (!) Britain!
The greeks owned that land 2000 years ago... Long long long time ago... So shut up your trap!
Do not soil my pages anymore with your bla bla's. take care of your pages.
You said "I will not enter this site any more"... Be faithful and do not enter here anymore. Becaue you do NOT deserve respect here!!!
Kenan SATIR, on May 31, said:
If Turks wanted to destroy a Civilization, who or which country could prevent from doing genocide? If this is Ottoman Empire? Every civilization continue its life more poverfull (at least) as before, after the Ottoman Empire. If Turks wanted to destroy Armenia or Greek countries, Turks could, but did not!
But it seems now, the Armenia and Greek populations are regretful from Turks amicably treatments to them in the History.
We are regretful too, not to destroy their culture and civilization as France, Great (!) Britain, US, China, Spain, Portuguese, Italy, etc. countries did in the history!
But we cant, because we cant. Because you cant see savagery at our culture. Savagery is western culture, used to east.
ppllayerr, on June 14, said:
ppllayerr said:
Ovviamente il signore sta sognando, non sa cos'e' la storia, non sa nemmeno cos'e'il mondo greco, o meno ancora com'e' la figura turca in europa. Sanno benissimo che non possono occupare un paese solo per il gusto di farlo. Quella foto con quella vergogna di bandiera loro, riconosciuta come bandiera solo dall'unico paese che era ovvio che lo faceva cioe' la turchia, la quale ovviamente ha occupato nel 1974 cipro, e non nel 1973 ed ovviamente come parte nordica turca di cipro. Unico paese nel mondo... Gli artefici del massacro dei greco-ciprioti. Sempre e solamente la turchia. Si sa che per entrare nella comunita' europea, cipro essendo una repubblica dal 1960, non poteva che non entrare tutta assieme. E' entrata tutta, ma senza che la parte occupata di cipro avesse voce in capitolo, essendo invasori. La repubblica di cipro ha rispettato i turco-ciprioti, perche' sono ciprioti, e che non hanno nulla a che fare con i turchi della turchia. Per quanto riguarda le proprieta' dalla parte che loro occupano che sono state vendute a destra e manca, sappiamo benissimo che una dopo l'altra tornano ai leggitimi proprietari. E cioe' ai greco ciprioti... o meglio ai ciprioti. L'europa non puo' come anche la turchia, dimenticare le leggi internazionali. I ciprioti sono pacifici. Lo vediamo giornalmente. Danno loro passaporti, soldi, pensioni e via dicendo... e' la reppublica che risponde, e non gli invasori, che nemmeno elettricita' hanno o acqua, ed usufruiscono il tt da chi sa che la democrazia e' tale, e la democrazia e' nata dai greci. Da greci andiamo avanti. E' vero che ci sono interesse da piu' paesi per quest' isola, ma si pieghera' l'europa ad aprire le porte ai turchi? Cipro dara' la risposta in tt questo. Speriamo non capitera' la stessa cosa come con kostantinopolis, rinominata dai turchi ora Instanbul e di tante isolette greche di minor importanza... Dio e' grande. Europa sara' grande per questo cancro turco?
P.S. E rimuovete questa fesseria del tutto fascista da questo sito... bandiera di uno stato inesistente... provocatorio ed invasore, che chiede solo l'elemosina dai ciprioti per tt. E' una vergogna per noi europei.
Kenan SATIR, on June 15, said:
to ppllayerr :
Conosciamo la democrazia di Europa! Conosciamo la democrazia degli S.U.A.! Non parli della democrazia e dei diritti dell'uomo! Conosciamo le vostre esecuzioni in Africa, in Asia inoltre nel nostro paese. Eravate come i cani infuriati mentre attacando alla nostra gente, non lontano, soltanto in 1915, 1920…
I paesi e gli Stati Uniti europan criminali non possono parlare della democrazia! Poiché, i paesi che avete lasciato non sono nella pace e nella presenza!
L'impero dell'ottomano non è stesso con voi. Ogni società ha vissuto nell'impero dell'ottomano nel passato, è in una buona situazione ed ha loro paesi.
Ciò è la differenza fra voi e noi! Non parli molto idiota!
La nostra coltura non ha bisogno del!