Thanks Richard, I hope I will be able to see your new postings.
Greetings Richard, I must be annoying you. Sorry I thought of opening this again. I was just thinking, Sometimes regret isn't useful, so one should make sure he is going the right way. It may be one of the most important things for you to became sure. I know that you too think the same about me. That is why I have to tell you the things that make me believe that Islam is the true religion.
The first thing is the idea that there is only one God. And if we talk about this there are only three choices; Same people think that there is no God ( This is your belief), some think that there is only one God (my belief), and others think that there are many gods.
Let me talk at first about the idea of there begin many gods, Allah says in the Holy Quran: No son did Allah beget, nor is there any god along with Him: (if there were many gods), behold, each god would have taken away what he had created, and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to Allah (He is free) from the (sort of) things they attribute to Him! (91) Sura "Al-Mumenoon", Verse (91) (Translation of the meaning of the Quran by Yusuf Ali). Another thing is that some Christians believe that there are many gods, to reply for this I will show you these verses of the Holy Quran: And (remember) when Allâh will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Īsā (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allâh?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden (and unseen). (116) "Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allâh) did command me to say: 'Worship Allâh, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world). (117) "If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, verily You, only You are the All¬Mighty, the All¬Wise." (118) Sura Al-Maeda", Verses from (116) to (118) (Translation of the meaning of the Quran by Dr Mohsin Khan).
Now I should talk about your belief. I think that this belief depends mostly on the thought that everything came out by chance. It is completely impossible! There are countless factors that affected the formation of this universe and the formation of life on earth. Just thinking that every atom has a part in the formation of a human being, if we imagine that this atom haven’t existed in the first place, this human being wouldn’t have existed. If we talk in mathematics, the probability of our existence would have been 1/∞ and 1/∞ equals zero. I also want to show you this verse of the Holy Quran: O mankind! A similitude has been coined, so listen to it (carefully): Verily! those on whom you call besides Allâh, cannot create (even) a fly, even though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly snatches away a thing from them, they will have no power to release it from the fly. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought. (73) Sura: "Al-Hajj", Verse (73) (Translation of the meaning of the Quran by Dr Mohsin Khan)
So all this makes me believe that there is only one God.
The second thing that makes me believe that Islam is the true religion is the Holy Quran. Just reading the Quran gives me complete faith that this is sent from Allah and that no human being could say something like it. I also have to mention this verse of the Holy Quran: Say: "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support. (88) Sura "Al-Isra", Verse (88) (Translation of the meaning of the Quran Yusuf Ali)
The third thing is that Judaism, Christianity and Islam have things in common such as the believe in prophets like Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isma'il(Ishmael), Isaac, Yaakob(Jacob), Yusuf(Joseph), Musa(Moses) and Isa(Jesus). I think I should show you these verses of the Holy Quran: Verily, We did send down the Taurât (Torah) [to Mûsa (Moses)], therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to Allâh's Will, judged for the Jews. And the rabbis and the priests [too judged for the Jews by the Taurât (Torah) after those Prophets] for to them was entrusted the protection of Allâh's Book, and they were witnesses thereto. Therefore fear not men but fear Me (O Jews) and sell not My Verses for a miserable price. And whosoever does not judge by what Allâh has revealed, such are the Kâfirûn (i.e. disbelievers - of a lesser degree as they do not act on Allâh's Laws). (44) And We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that which Allâh has revealed, such are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong¬doers - of a lesser degree). (45) And in their footsteps, We sent 'Īsā (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), confirming the Taurât (Torah) that had come before him, and We gave him the Injeel (Gospel), in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the Taurât (Torah) that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for Al-Muttaqûn (the pious). (46) Let the people of the Injeel (Gospel) judge by what Allâh has revealed therein. And whosoever does not judge by what Allâh has revealed (then) such (people) are the Fâsiqûn (the rebellious) (47) And We have sent down to you (O Muhammad) the Book (this Qur'ân) in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it and Muhaymin (trustworthy in highness and a witness) over it (old Scriptures). So judge among them by what Allâh has revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging away from the truth that has come to you. To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a clear way. If Allâh had willed, He would have made you one nation, but that (He) may test you in what He has given you; so compete in good deeds. The return of you (all) is to Allâh; then He will inform you about that in which you used to differ (48)
The fourth thing is the Arabian history which completely changed after the appearance of Islam.
Sorry I took too long, I just couldn't help it. I hope you read it all.
Greetings Mohammed, Do not be concerned that you are annoying me. I am flattered you feel comfortable discussing your beliefs with me. You have strong convictions in your faith and I respect and applaud you for that.
I think, for myself, two of the most important aspects of basing your life on a system of beliefs is that, first, the system of beliefs gives you everything you need to live your life to your expected fulfillment and, second, the system of beliefs allows you to respect other people's choice of a belief system, if not the same as yours.
I am confident you will live a full and happy and productive life because of what you believe in and the way you have presented yourself to me over the months. And you will be a good emissary for Islam and the Holy Quran.
Thanks for the latest information. I think I understand what you are trying to present me and it all makes sense. Of course I am looking at it from an "Episcopal/Protestant/King James Bible" point of view and what you are saying is not all that different from what I would hear in a "Christian" service held stateside on any Sunday.
Feel free to contact me anytime you have any ideas/verses you think I might need clarification on. It is always interesting to learn more about Islam from you since you are so well spoken. Have a great weekend.
Greetings Richard, Thanks for the nice words.
It is true that religion teaches people everything they need to live by, it also teaches them to respect other peoples beliefs and teaches the tolerance.
This is part of an article about Catholism I have read before: "Catholicism is also Trinitarian: it believes that, while God is one in nature, essence, and being, this one God exists in three divine persons, each identical with the one essence, whose only distinctions are in their relations to one another: the Father's relationship to the Son, the Son's relationship to the Father, and the relations of both to the Holy Spirit, constitute the one God as a Trinity." If you read the article from the begining you will find it saying "Catholicism is monotheistic: it believes that God is one, eternal, all-powerful (omnipotent), all-knowing (omniscient), all-good (omnibenevolent)," I can't understand how could they believe in monotheistic and Trinitarian at the same time, maybe you could help me.
Anyhow look at this verse from the Holy Quran: Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no ilah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilah (God -Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.(73) Sura "Al-Maeda", Verse(73) (Translation of the meaning of Quran by Mohsin Khan)
I may not know much about Protestantism, I will be happy if you talk to me about it.
Greetings Mohammed, I hope all is well with you. I am probably not the person to be asking about the fine details of religion in the USA but I can give you some of my perceptions.
One aspect of Christianity I find interesting is the concept that you can be the most criminal person on the planet and with your dying breath say "Jesus Christ died for my sins" and you will go to heaven and be forgiven of all your sins. I wonder how the people he killed feel about that when he shows up in heaven? This happens in our criminal system all the time here.
Another aspect is that people who have never hear of God will go to hell because they didn't believe in God. The reasoning is that they should have figured it out. If the Bible and Quran have only been around for a couple of thousand years, you'd think there would be a Grandfather clause in there for people predating religion as well as those in the deepest darkest places who never was exposed to these documents. Living a lifestyle that takes care of the planet isn't good enough.
I know I learned all about the trinity back in my childhood days, but those teachings have faded long ago. But it seems every religion based on Catholic and Protestant interpretation of the bible preach the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Some Religious congregations here are fanatical, while others are very laid back and easy going, so you can find a religious style that fits your comfort level.
So thinking about it a bit, our different sects believe in God, being the Father, Jesus, being the person sent to earth to make everyone aware, and the Holy Spirit, well, I'm not sure about him.
This may be an interesting point for biblical religion. In a historical sense I do believe Jesus Christ died for my sins. The man existed and that's what he said he was doing. It is well documented that those events happened. So if I believe in the events, am I saved and get to go to heaven?
I think the thing that makes religion work is belief in what that religion says. And if the religion has you live a life style that is good for you and harmonious with those around, so much the better.
Those are just some rambling thoughts. Perhaps there's a point in there that is is more interesting than the rest. I can give you my thoughts and even look some stuff up.
I enjoy talking with and learning from you. Take care.
Richard, I stopped by to commenton this picture and read the comments that were there. I just find myself having to say....not only are you are wonderful artist, you are a truly wonderful man.
The photo is beautiful by the way,
Greetings Palmina, Thanks for your wonderful comments. I have found that Panoramio is populated almost exclusively by wonderful, supportive people. It is such a pleasure to be able to meet and communicate with others without the impediment of borders, politics or religion. We all accept each other for who we are and that is nice. And on occasion I find we can have a discussion that is thoughtful and understanding and can be learned from. What a wonderful forum we have to meet learn about each other. Thanks again for visiting.
Greetings Richard, I have to agree with Palmina Moore, you are really a wonderful person and a great artist. Sorry I took a long time for replying, you know how it is when things get piled up. I could understand from your last comment that you think that going to heaven is some kind of a disorder, I don't know about the phrase you said. But maybe this Hadith of the Prophet will help:
"Abu Huraira. reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do you know who is poor? They (the Companions of the Prophet) said: A poor man amongst us is one who has neither dirham with him nor wealth. He (the Prophet) said: The poor of my Umma would be he who would come on the Day of Resurrecton with prayers and fasts and Zakat but (he would find himself bankrupt on that day as he would have exhausted his funds of virtues) since he hurled abuses upon others, brought calumny against others and unlawfully consumed the wealth of others and shed the blood of others and beat others, and his virtues would be credited to the account of one (who suffered at his hand). And if his good deeds fall short to clear the account, then his sins would be entered in (his account) and he would be thrown in the Hell-Fire." [Sahih Muslim (Book #032, Hadith #6251)]
So if a person could go to Hell for not treating others well, no words will make any differance.
The other thing is religion is not just about believing in documented facts. It is about believing in things that you may not be able to see or even imagine. It is hard for a person to believe that he will live after his death and that everyone who lived before him will come back to life, putting in consideration that the materials in their bodies were taken by plants and these plants were eaten by animals and even by other people, and putting also in cosideration that matter is neither created nor destroyed. Then a person may think, "how could this happen?" But if I believe that there is a God Who has the power to do anything He wills, it will be easy for me to belive so.
The last thing is that you think that before the Testament and the Quran people didn't know anything about God. Firstly, Allah says in the Holy Quran: Whoever goes right, then he goes right only for the benefit of his ownself. And whoever goes astray, then he goes astray to his own loss. No one laden with burdens can bear another's burden. And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning). (15) Sura "Al-Israa", Verse (15) (Translation of the meaning of Quran Mohsin Khan)
Secondly in a society like the ancient Greek society, believing in many gods, would you think that they would believe any messenger saying that there is only one God. A person like Ikhnaton who was the pharaoh of Egypt in 1369 B.C. tried to make people of his time worship one God, everyone was aginst him. Ofcourse documented facts don't make me think he was a messenger or one of the followers of a messenger, but there must be something behind a person thinking this way.
I enjoy this coversation too, but I may not be able to reply fast but I will still be waiting for your reply though.
Greetings Mohammed, I hope the passing of time finds you well. I was pleased with the information you presented in your last message. It is good to see that you must believe AND live a good life in order to get into heaven. There are so many Christians who believe that going to church on Sunday makes up for all the bad things they think they are able to do during the rest of the week. I believe Islam want you to be a good person all the time and that is what will be accounted for.
It is also good to see the Quran allows for people in isolated places to have the chance to go to heaven since they had no chance to learn about Islam. I thought it sad when the pastor said the Eskimos, Indians (Wild West) and African tribesmen would all go to hell because they did not believe, even though they never had heard of religion.
I guess that is why there is such a push for the Catholics and Baptists and Mormons to get out and spread the gospel and save the rest of the Heathens so they won't go to hell.
My apologies if I made it sound like it was a disorder believing in and going to heaven. That was not my intent. Believing in heaven is a good thing. I see that bring so much peace and happiness to those people. That is wonderful.
Something that I think I have seen through history is that religion is the cause for a lot of war and strife. The Church of England and on the European continent forced people with differing religious views to have to practice in secrecy or relocate to a different country or typically face death. Then there were the crusades where knights went to the Holy Land to save something, I'm not sure what. Then there were the Catholics and the inquisitions.
I would think religion would allow others to practice their own faith, right or wrong, without persecution. It is to bad that over the centuries religious leaders have made the policy of believe in God, practice the faith a certain way and hate those who have a different view point. Those two ideas seem opposed to each other.
Anyway, back to work for me. I hope your studies are going well.
Greetings Richard, In Abu Katheer's tafsir (explanation) for the previous verse, he mentioned several hadiths which talk about people who died and no messenger was sent to them, this is one of those hadiths:
Abu Hurayrah narrated that the prophet (peace by upon him) said: (There are four who will present their case on the Day of Resurrection: a deaf man who never heard anything, an insane man, a very old and senile man, and a man who died during the Fatrah. As for the deaf man, he will say, "O Lord, Islam came but I never heard anything." As for the insane man, he will say, "O Lord, Islam came and the young boys were throwing camel dung at me." As for the senile man, he will say, "O Lord, Islam came and I did not understand anything." As for the one who died during the Fatrah, he will say, "O Lord, no Messenger from You came to me." Allah will accept their pledge of obedience to Him, then He will send word to them that they should enter the Fire. Whoever enters it will find it cool and safe, and whoever does not enter it will be dragged into it.)
It is true that a lot of wars were caused under the guise of religion, but I think that in most cases greed is the cause of war, some leader use religion to encourage there people on war. Talking about the crusades on the Holy Land, I have studied all about it in history, but ofcourse it was from the other point of view, wars went on for about two centuries between the Arabs living at Syria, Lebanon, Palastin and ofcourse Egypt and the Europeans. A that time Egypt was attacked, and after they were defeted in Mansoura, the king of France was arrested. After all, it seems that history is repeating itself, wars began between Arabs and Zionistics from half a century. You may not want me to talk about that. In all cases, it is not fair to judge on something after hearing it from one side.
Greetings Richard, I made a mistake, his name is Ibn Katheer, I got confused while writing.
Greetings Mohammed, I hope you are well and you are excelling in your studies. I think you have brought up a very good point on wars and greed under the guise of religion. I don't want to get down on the Catholics, but how much of their wealth in Rome came from conquests in other parts of the world. The Spanish conquistadors all had catholic priests with them as the went through south and central America gathering gold and gems.
I do not think the current war in the Middle East in which the USA is the major player is a religious war. It is entirely about oil and a blundered attempt to install a democratic government in Iraq that would be sympathetic to the USA energy shortage and sell us lots of oil. The war will end when the republicans are replaced by the democrats in the next USA election. The American public supports its soldiers but wants the war to end now.
What I wonder is what will happen when the US forces leave the middle east. Will the different groups in the area come together to form a new system of government and rebuild, or will there be a new war to see who gets to be the ruling faction. I think this war, if it happens, will be a religious war.
What saddens me what the current US administration did to the Middle East. The earlier Bush presidency did not remove Saddam during the first war because he provided stability in the area. The current Bush administration has removed Saddam and now there is no hope for restoring stability. I fear there will only be continued pain and suffering in the area.
Let me say it again, I believe the current US administration was only interested in Middle Eastern oil when they went in to Iraq. This was misguided foreign policy by Bush junior and most Americans see this for what it is.
Let me step off my soap box. I don't want our discussion to turn political and concentrate on foreign policy and economic mistakes the current US presidency has made. I didn't vote for the man or support his war and the country will correct that mistake next year. I believe we will set off on a new course of providing help to the world in medical areas as suggested by the rock star Bono.
My apologies if I have strayed to far from our original intent with this discussion. I don't want to go in a political direction, I just thought you would be interested in my point of view in this particular area.
Once again, thank you for your willingness to be open with me with your views and listening to mine with out being judgmental. Your expression of your views is giving me valuable insight into your beliefs and you present your ideas very well. As always, it has been a pleasure.
Sorry Richard, I may not be able to reply till December 20th.
Greetings Mohammed, This is no problem. Take care until then.
Greetings Richard, I think war is one of the characters of human being. Throughout history, so many wars have taken place in all parts of the world. People fight for money, power, dominance, land, freedom, justice, what they think is right and for revenge. Of course war has always resulted in destroying, death, pain and the delay of the development of civilization, but in most cases, war is the only solution. And of course, in most cases, those who take the decision of war don’t suffer as much as their people.
The Quran talks about how Angels thought of human in this verse: And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "Verily, I am going to place (mankind) generations after generations on earth." They said: "Will You place therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood, - while we glorify You with praises and thanks and sanctify You." He (Allâh) said: "I know that which you do not know." (30) Sura: Al Baqara, Verse (30). The Quran also talks about the first murder that happened in history in these verses: And (O Muhammad SAW) recite to them the story of the two sons of Adam (Hâbil and Qâbil — Abel and Cain) in truth; when each offered a sacrifice (to Allâh), it was accepted from the one but not from the other. The latter said to the former: "I will surely kill you." The former said: "Verily, Allâh accepts only from those who are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious)." (27) "If you do stretch your hand against me to kill me, I shall never stretch my hand against you to kill you, for I fear Allâh; the Lord of the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinn, and all that exists)." (28) "Verily, I intend to let you draw my sin on yourself as well as yours, then you will be one of the dwellers of the Fire, and that is the recompense of the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrongdoers)." (29) So the self of the other (latter one) encouraged him and made fair¬seeming to him the murder of his brother; he murdered him and became one of the losers. (30) Then Allâh sent a crow who scratched the ground to show him to hide the dead body of his brother. He (the murderer) said: "Woe to me! Am I not even able to be as this crow and to hide the dead body of my brother?" Then he became one of those who regretted. (31) Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allâh by committing the major sins) in the land!. (32) Sura: Al Maeda, Verses from (27) to (32).
After World War II, The concept of war wasn't confined on military wars only, but other forms of war were used, and I think mass media was the most method of war used. I think the main purpose of war now is the protection of political and economical power. And I think that people who have power have some political influence on nations. Its like a criminal organization, everyone does what is told to him, but no one knows who the boss is. The cold war between the United States and the Soviet Union makes it clear that both nations where trying to become more powerful. And the break down of the Soviet Union makes my think that power now is in the hands of capitalists.
War against independence was used by occupying nations like Britain and France to protect their political and economical power. Before the independence of African and Asian occupied countries. All the goods of these countries where sent to Britain and France. The cut off of these goods would have definitely effected their economy. Besides they must have feared that these countries may become developed and gain political and economical power. In fact, what they feared happened, as the United states became stronger after its independence. But that isn’t my point. The point I am trying to reach is that Africa (specially) is full of treasures and a lot of its countries still have economic problems even after independence for a lot of reasons. And I think civil wars is one of the main reasons. This make these countries export their goods to be able to get their needs. So I am thinking that civil wars may be encouraged by other countries to be able to take their goods and sell them weapons.
As for media, It is also used for political purposes. A lot of films talk about how much Europeans suffered from the Nazi occupation. But few talk about how much Africans and Asians suffered to get their independence ( in exception of India). And few talk about how much Vietnamese, Cambodians and people of Laos and Thailand suffered a war that was supposed to be between the United states and the Soviet Union. And Cubans also suffered and the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Talking about the Middle East, a lot of people think that what is happening today is actually a war on Islam. I think this war is also for the protection of political and economical power. There are about 1.5 billion Muslims which live in almost everywhere in the world, if they become united they will no doubt form a strong political and economical power. So they are trying to weaken Muslims by separating them and by making them far away from their religion. And make non-muslims hate Muslims by using media to make people think that Muslims are terrorists because they don’t want more people to convert to Islam.
Terrorism is actually used for political achievements and has no relationship with religion. The terroristic attacks in 9/11/2001 gave the U. S. government a justification for occupying Afghanistan. This makes me think that such attacks occurred for the sack of the United States politics. The United States government used another method to justify the occupation of Iraq. First, it was mass destructive weapons and then after the United States got into Iraq they said that the main purpose was the formation of a democratic government in Iraq. I don’t think that the United States is interested in the Iraqi oil because in all conditions, food for oil is much better than war for oil. I only think that Afghanistan and Iraq is some kind of a warning to the Iranian government.
The United Nations doesn’t want nuclear weapons to spread. Although I don’t like that decision because I think that every nation has the right to have the power to protect itself against external attacks. If it is true that the UN really doesn’t want nuclear weapons to spread. Why did it allow Israel to possess these weapons? Robert Gates says that Israel doesn’t want to destroy its neighbors or support terrorism unlike Iran. If we look back at the history of Israel, we will find that Israel has done nothing but attacking its neighbors.
Talking about the state of Israel, everything about that country seems wrong. The first thing is that it was formed on a land that did not belong to its people. The second thing is that it is named after Jacob who is believed to be a prophet by all believers of Abrahamic religions. Of course Jews have complete belief that these lands belong to them. And Arabs also completely believe that Palestine belongs them. So I think that the only solution for this problem is war. Of course the Israeli government will never leave Palestinian form their own nation. Because they know that if Palestinians live in peace, it will just be a matter of time till they start fighting for their land. And who could blame them if it was their ancestors’ land?
These are my thoughts, some of them may be wrong. Anyhow I think I am the one how should thank you.
At the end, I just want to mention this verse: Say: “O Allah! Lord of Power (and Rule) You give Power to whom You will and You strip off power from whom You will. You endue with honour whom You will, and You bring low, whom You will; in Your hand is all Good. Verily, over all things You have power.” (26)
Greetings Mohammed, Thank you for your patience in waiting for my reply. Your last post in this thread was very powerful and full of truth and very far reaching. I believe everything you say is based on facts.
We were discussing the US presence in the Middle East during the holidays and the popular opinion in our group in that discussion is that the US presence in the Middle East is only for oil and President Bush trying to save face for starting a needless war.
The price of oil is very important to the US economy and if we can influence the price of oil to keep it lower then the economy will be stronger here in the US. A lot of US citizens think that countries should have the option of establishing their own forms of governments, whether they be democratic, socialistic, religious or a monarchy.
The US somehow believes it has become the world's policeman for the establishment of human rights. Human rights are important but is that a valid basis for the US invading a country and trying to impose a form of government that may not be right for the people in that country?
When it comes to war, the one who wins is usually right. The US doesn't like to be seen as wrong. The US may not like who wins, or the US does not want to be the loser in Iraq. My own personal opinion, I do not believe the US can win in the Middle East. We have superior weapons, but we cannot win. Our top government officials have not figured that out yet, or they have and are now trying to figure out how to withdraw without losing their jobs, but that is a political problem for the US politicians.
It will be sad for the world if the Middle East destabilizes and war breaks out. The whole world will suffer for it. If war breaks out between the Palestinians and Israel, treaties will make the US ally with Israel. The US will not let Israel lose. Another endless war...
I can only hope that somehow peaceful solutions can be found that will let stability return to the Middle East. I hope we can all figure out how to live together in peace. The US may not like the forms of governments that appear, and the US citizens may not like the price of gas and transportation, but we will have to pay the price or find alternate energy sources. The times of going to war for cheap oil are over.
I do not think that intelligent Americans think all Muslims are terrorists or that Islam is an evil religion. We realize there are radical factions everywhere that make us form incorrect impressions. We still have the KKK here in the US. There are radicals everywhere. The Middle East just seems to be getting all the attention now.
What I have learned from the forum in Panoramio is that the world is a beautiful place and populated with wonderful people. Not everyone wants war and power over others. These are the people I appreciate getting the chance to meet and getting to know.
Enough of this sad subject. :-)
You are probably getting ready to return to school for the next term. I hope you had a wonderful holiday season and I wish you good luck in the new year.
Greetings Richard, Sorry for taking so much time. This conversation seems to have reached an end, it has been a pleasure. Perhaps something else could be opened another time. Thanks for your interest.
Greetings Mohammad, Thank you very much for sharing your insights with me during the past months. I have learned much from you. Yes, we shall pick another thread in the future. I shall look forward to that. In the meantime I will enjoy your photographs and art.
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