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Margrit Berger on August 31, 2007

Ah, I understand, you show the nice and unbroken ones now, Ryan ;-) ! Though the odd stones are put as blend or what do you call it, when they are put to deceive the eye?

It looks pretty with the vines growing over it and the wooden parts. The window looks nice as well. It looks almost European, doesn't it? Greetings, May :)

Ryan Calhoun on August 31, 2007

Thanks, May. I'm not sure what the architecture is. It's not exactly a farm-style building. If it had a thatched roof, it might look European. Is illusion the word you want?

Margrit Berger on September 1, 2007

Ryan, it's seldom that we find thatched roofs anymore in Europe, the knowhow gets lost. By "European" I didn't mean farmhouse style, but maybe the architect has been influenced by some details he had seen in Europe, like the arched door etc. No, it's not illusion I meant. Maybe "blind stones", because they haven't any function, but are just for decoration. May

Ryan Calhoun on September 2, 2007

Ahh, I see. Well, it could be argued that all of our architecture is at least a derivative of that found in Europe. Don't feel bad about not knowing the word for these stones in English...I'm not sure there is one, and I wouldn't know what to call them either. Maybe "decorative". Thanks, May.

But now that I look at this photo some more, I'm really unhappy with the red tilt. All three closeups of this building have a slightly different color balance that I didn't notice before, and it's really bothering me. Oh well...maybe no one will look at all of them together! Ryan

Margrit Berger on September 3, 2007

Don't overdo it, Ryan. I didn't notice anything. ;-)) They are fine!

Derivatives? Probably true about the architecture of the immigrants of Europe. But then, in New Mexico are the adobe houses which have nothing to do with specifically European architecture, but more so, with functional and practical ways of building on all continents.

You have some very famous modern architects, modern in the sense of own ideas - (Frank Lloyd Wright, Louis H. Sullivan, Richard Alan Meier, to name only a few) - in the States and fantastic buildings, I am sure there must be plenty of pictures around in Panoramio.

Greetings, May

Tamás Borbély on September 3, 2007

Greetings,Ryan!This is a very beautiful photo. Tamás

Ryan Calhoun on September 4, 2007

Hello May. Modern architecture aside, the Southwest has a heavy Spanish influence. Spanish tile roofs are still common as a good insulation against the heat, and also because of the way they look. And before the Spanish, before the French, the native people built using adobe. By the time New Mexico became a state (1912), the native ideas had been pretty well mixed with the Spanish ideas, and most of their architecture would have been copied from Mexico. Even the ranch-style house so popular in the Southwest comes from Spanish colonial architecture of the 1700s. Probably the first major innovation in architecture prior to the industrial revolution came from cowboy towns, where the purpose was to put up the town as quickly as possible rather than to "design" the buildings.

I think usually building styles don't change just for the sake of change. It's the form-follows-function designs where innovation takes place. There are many grain elevators built along the railroad tracks all through the US and Canada. Up until 1910 or 20, people thought they were horrible ugly, and spoiled the beauty of the landscape. Then people started to appreciate the shape (which had become familiar) and to even admire the boxy structures. In some places now, it's even possible to see grain elevators and barns have an influence on house architecture.

People have a long history of resisting new ideas. So to me it's not surprising that European architecture has lasted so long here (and in terms of architecture, it's hasn't really even been that long). It's only very recently that we're seeing some true brand new ideas emerge. Still, Frank Lloyd Wright houses are often viewed as art more than they are as houses. Most modern architectural ideas are used for businesses and public places. Probably only when these modern ideas aren't so radically new anymore will we see a mass influence on regular houses.

Oh, and thanks!

And Tamás, thank you as well. Greetings to you both!

Margrit Berger on September 4, 2007

Wow, thank you Ryan, for this very interesting explanations. I know about the Spanish influence not only in language but also in architecture. With the adobe houses I mentioned, I was thinking at the native people.

The second paragraph is specially interesting because I didn't know about these grain elevators and their influence on house architecture.

Of course we can't invent the wheel again, we actually all take over the knowledge from the generations who have been here before, until we find a new material with which we can make new experiments. Then it depends also on the surrounding, the climate, the mentality. I guess in America, people often had to leave, when there was a drought or anything else. And they didn't have roots, as much as we do, so it didn't matter so much to go on to maybe better places.

Here in Europe, we usually build for generations, as I mentioned somewhere else, because we expect the next generations to remain and keep the propriety. Maybe that's why the old houses of the farmers in Europe have been decorated, a discussion with Bruce With the sky-scrapers (Sullivan's merit) you in the States have developed a new style of buildings, which have been copied all over the world. May

walkaboutwest on September 4, 2007

Beautiful photo, Ryan, and fascinating conversation. There's really not much more to say, is there?

Ryan Calhoun on September 4, 2007

Thanks, Eve! Mmmm...I'm sure there's always more to say! For now, I can at least answer May again. I don't always know I have more to say, and then I do Of course, Eve, I'm sure you're familiar with all the influences on settlement and architecture in our country, maybe much more than I am, living more out west and getting to travel so much for your work.

Hi May. I don't think it's so much a question of not having roots. It was usually whole families who immigrated, and settlements would have developed into close extended families very quickly, especially those out on the frontier where it was more dangerous. The reason towns needed to go up so fast was that there were many mass migrations to certain areas at certain times. Whenever somebody discovered gold or oil people would rush out and towns would spring up. The same also happened when railroads and bridges were constructed. Little quick towns for workers. Some went away and some stayed. So people didn't usually move away from something bad, they moved to something good. Even through floods and fires, there usually weren't mass migrations, and the displaced would come back to rebuild. It took the worst hurricane any of us can remember to drive so many permanently out of New Orleans.

I don't know much about skyscraper history, since I don't live close to any. The era when the first skyscrapers were built was supposed to be a time of progress and achievement, and the idea of skyscrapers probably appealed to most people right away. Of course then, you have to start dividing city people from country people, who would have very different opinions on the matter. Maybe someday I'll see a skyscraper and photograph it.

Greetings, Ryan

Margrit Berger on September 5, 2007

Thanks for answering Ryan! I see, that we don't really differ in our statements. I understood before, why houses had to be built swiftly in the USA. I didn't mention everything, but on the whole, I see the same logical development of the kind of buildings in the USA.

Whatever reason it was, it is a fact, that here houses are mostly erected for generations. We also have very strict directions about the insulation and they are mostly well maintained. In the region, where I live are wooden houses, built of fir wood, whereas in other regions like most part of the Grisons stone houses are built, just depending, what is more available next to them.

What concerns the skyscrapers, I think the main reason to plan them, was, because the offices of the growing cities, like New York had to be right at the center and near the port, where the merchandise left and entered. So, the most practical thing to do, was to build vertically. It was, like most inventions, based on practical need and logical solutions and not on a sudden whim.

I wouldn't divide people into city and country people, or anything else. Imho the opinion depends rather on logical thinking than on living in the country or city.

Greetings, May

And Eve, there is a lot to say about these things, but probably it's just not the right place here. :-) Greetings, May

Ryan Calhoun on September 5, 2007

May, my neighbor, I never thought we were arguing. Just putting the pieces of the same puzzle together. I love hearing your opinion of things. Greetings, Ryan

Margrit Berger on September 5, 2007

Ryan, I love to hear your opinion as well! But I hope you have in mind, that English is a foreign language for me and it's not as easy to express myself as I wish and as I do in my own language.

Please change the word opinion in the sentence above to solutions of constructing buildings:

I meant the whole sentence like this:

Imho the solutions of constructing buildings rather depend on practical considerings than on living in the country or city. May

Ryan Calhoun on September 5, 2007

Halten Für Unwichtig es, May. (I had to look this up). You express yourself much better in English than I ever could in German. Si querrías intentar el español alguna vez, ¡yo sería más que feliz de zambullir en contigo! It's easy enough for two native English speakers to miss each others' meanings, and if I've ever missed your meaning, I think it's the fault of the language. I don't think your words have ever been unclear. If it seems like I take your English for granted, perhaps you could misspell a word or two now and then to remind me! ;-)

Grüße zu Ihnen, Ryan

Margrit Berger on September 5, 2007

;-)) Good tip! But this happens anyway! Gracias, May

fflaplant on April 18, 2009

I dont know if you're interested, but the doors are for the old horse drawn fire engine. This was the first fire station in the Fenton area. It is now an electrical supply company.

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