Morning mist below the moors

It is interesting to note the differences not only in size but in quality between this and my first attempt years back

Very different pictures - Though what your first one may lack in scale ( compared to this) it makes up for in atmosphere I think?

It certainly does make a difference seeing the bigger picture though. A lot of work but well worth it

And weirdly - I like that this has less emphasis on the farm buildings - more of a subtle focal point than the glaring focal point of the first picture

Best regards

Dean

In version one there is no real distant view Dean which is why I concentrated on the farm then whereas here I didn't want the viewer to loiter in the foreground,I deliberately stayed further back from my earlier pov so as to keep it there as foreground interest but only minimally. Even though I knew I would return one day I chose to do so later in the year to give it a very different feel also.

Many thanks ! One thing to note is just how much more clear the detail is throughout the image and in particular the foreground vegetation.

I'd have been pleased with either Sam but you certainly get the bigger picture with this one as you say you get the foreground detail but lots to see in the background also.I've been able to see this in original image but still not the other even with your link.

Your comment Ian got me thinking and as a result I have realised the error of some of my ways.

When I added that first version I was thrilled to bits with it and was as proud as a peacock to have it in my collection but now when I look I see a great deal wrong with it :o). On a positive note it shows at least that I have made steps in the right direction but it also explains why I find fault with what others do and why I feel like I have to help. That latter part is a double edge sword in as much as any help offered is more likely to be seen as me killing the proud peacock ! As the recipient of my good intentioned help Ian I'd be interested to know your thoughts on that because this realisation certainly has me taking a look at where I've probably been way out of line when I have offered it unsolicited no matter how tactfully done.

Hi Sam - If I may answer that too?

From my point of view advice and help are always most definitely welcome.

I think the difficulties only arise due to the nature of this form of communication (text)

We are not designed to communicate easily this was and 80% of of communication is lost during text - I have noticed a couple of times where different people have given me advice, my replies have been taken as me being slightly upset or deflated - and it really isn't the case -

I think it's safe to say that your advice is only not welcome if you are told so or your comments get deleted :) :) :)

I for one would be quite upset if you refrained from passing on some of your vast knowledge to us mere mortals so please carry on !!!

Very best wishes

Dean

Thanks Dean for your reassuring reply. I must admit though I feel uncomfortable in being elevated by this line "your vast knowledge to us mere mortals" since I deem myself a mere mortal too. When I become a world famous photographer ;o) I will maybe think differently :o)

Now we all know the road to becoming a world famous photographer .... You don't go out taking pictures at all - you spend each day like &fav 100 random pictures that you don't even really look at - and watch your gallery views rack up??

Did I miss something??? ;)

I think your advice is good Sam and well worth having, and besides the person receiving it lots of other people see it and no doubt benefit from it too.

Cheers Ian,my advice isn't what concerns me mate, I wouldn't give it unless it was totally valid and proven, more whether my giving it at will has the effect of as I put it " Killing the proud peacock". Two people I have tried to help have demonstrated by their actions that they perhaps didn't want my help after all or disliked my way of helping.

Très belle composition et Excellente photo d'atmosphère. Like. Jl.

Merci JL

I have to agree with Ian Your Advice is 100% worth having Sam and i always read what you have to say to other people, (did you get my reply) If people don't want your advice it's there loss. Back To The Picture If i had to judge both pictures i would go for this one.

Cheers Richard, I'm still out as to which i prefer (discounting quality) which probably has more to do with the first experience of something tends to be the most memorable.

I did get your reply thanks and my response ought to be in your inbox.

best wishes, Sam

Quite an interesting discussion Sam,if only two have fell by the wayside so to speak, thats not a bad ratio mate especially as you will probably never know exactly how many will have picked up on your advice. I for one probably appreciate it more than most having hands on experience if thats the correct way to put it.I'm a lot more confident now than i ever was,so you have my thanks anyway;-)) ( i still balls things up now and again though;-)))

As for the picture,well, this one is my choice,the farm hasn't sort of hogged the foreground and there is far more detail there and on the hills,i know thats what you intended and it has worked. I can only pick up on one thing and that is,the mist has just blotted out a little too much detail here and there.I think this is still a better picture though, and well worth Beverley chucking you out that early;-))

The assistance you've receieved Neil has been mostly one to one mate and by that you've managed to tolerate my straight talking no nonsense attitude but I think as Dean said the trouble often lies in text/written exchanges that lose something along the way. Re the image here you're right about the mist and I had waited there quite a while in the hope it would thin out a little but as the sun rose it seemed to be getting no thinner but definately more illuminated and even less transparent so I just had to grab what I could. Also of course I had it in mind to be at Fryupdale for that sun showing through so another reason to settle for what I got here and run,in hindsight I deffo made the right move scooting over there. As for that last line well Beverley was snoring so hard she never even knew I was up until I told her I was off out and all I got then was a funny look and a sleepy "OK" :o)

Sam, another interesting scene. Fog in valleys is allways a good tool to use . Cheers from this Colonial.. ~Lex

I think it is too Lex, it's just a shame it has to do it so damned early :o)

Many thanks mate !