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Well those that know me wouldn't expect anything less than me wanting to do better if I thought I could and hopefully the quality will be obvious and the shortfall in the earlier version now very apparent.

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Derek Geer on February 11, 2013

I would be proud to be able to produce either of these photos Sam. However I see your point but I also feel that the wider view contributes to the overall beauty of the scene. L&F. Regards Derek

Kenny Wharton on February 11, 2013

The improvement in clarity is amazing. The branches of the silver birches stand out more. I did not realize RAW worked in this way, I thought it was only for correcting my poor exposure settings! As usual, thanks for the education.



Yorkshire Sam on February 11, 2013

Derek, the differences at my end are far greater than can be seen here since what you are seeing is a low resolution version to keep the file size down and yet the difference is still noticeable because t'other was equally low res. My reply to Kenny will explain the point better.

I agree the wider scene adds something but also takes away by virtue of the fact when seen screen size the falls lose their impact whereas the tighter crop gives immediate impact and as in both cases that becomes more so when zoomed in. My final version now uploaded has the tree tops included too but will only ever really be appreciated when seen very large on a huge screen or print at around the 1 metre size or larger.

Ian you will enjoy the final offering then for sure.

Kenny what you say is loosely true in that it does allow for better correction but it all stems from the format and what the camera recorded.

This will tell it better than I can :-


Jpeg is a compressed file format, that is, it's a format that takes up less space than most others, which means that a large number of images can be stored on a memory card or a hard drive.

It can also be 'programmed' by the camera to record the images in a certain way - for example with more or less colour saturation, with more or less sharpness or more or less compression. This makes it an ideal choice for many types of photos because, although any image can be manipulated once it has been transferred to the computer, the sharpness, colour saturation etc of shots recorded as JPEG files can be set before the shot is taken, which means that far less image processing is needed later. In fact, relatively little image processing can be carried out later (without substantial quality loss) because the camera has 'decided' which information needed to be retained and which can be discarded. Sometimes this 'decision process' works very well but sometimes the baby is thrown out along with the bathwater!

Most cameras allow JPEGs to be captured at various quality settings. Different manufacturers use different terminology, but basically what they offer is a range of different compression settings, and, sometimes, different quantities of pixels. The higher the compression, the smaller the file and therefore the less space it will take up on card or disk. That sounds good, but when files are compressed the quality suffers, so it usually makes sense, if shooting in JPEG mode, to use high quality settings whenever possible.

Many digital cameras also allow images to be capured in Raw Mode. Unlike JPEG and most other digital file formats, raw is not a proprietory file format that can be read by any imaging software programme. In fact, with a few exceptions such as Photoshop CS and Capture One, it can only be read by specialised software supplied by the camera manufacturerer. Camera manufacturers normally include raw conversion software with their cameras but the complexity and usefulness of the software can vary a lot, and sometimes it seems to do nothing more than open the file, allowing no image enhancement at all.

But if you have sophisticated software, shooting in Raw mode will allow you to manipulate the image to your heart's content, and to end up with very high quality images.

Basically, a Raw image is the digital equivalent of a negative. All the information recorded by the camera is there, and the photographer can change just about any of the settings - colour temperature, hue, contrast, saturation, exposure and so on without losing any of the information contained in the file. Once the required adjustments have been made the file can be 'saved as' (JPEG, PSD, TIFF or whatever) leaving the original raw file in its original form.

My thanks to you all ,

regards, Sam :o)

OJIbr@ on February 12, 2013

Another super shot. Like. Best wishes.

Neil Grimwood on February 12, 2013

Much better quality Sam the wider shot makes quite a difference ,obviously prefered by others too.Its not just the fact that you shot this in Raw though,i think that MK 11 had a say in it too mate;-) Some useful info re- Raw format Sam,it does make a difference. As you know i shot Jpeg for quite a while because i had no means of dealing with Raw plus the fact i was a little apprehensive. Now i have CS5 i don't have a problem with Raw format, it just meant buying a larger capacity CF card...job done...cheers mate;-)

Kenny Wharton on February 12, 2013

Many thanks Sam for the info. I had to chuckle at Neil Just meant buying a larger capacity CF card Yep that cures taking the photographs but what it also means is getting a bigger hard drive for the storage of those RAW files. Oh and then there is a need for a clever filing system and a method of finding that shot you took ages ago among the thousands stored.

HA! its still all good.



Yorkshire Sam on February 12, 2013

You made both me and Kenny chuckle Neil though I'm chuckling at something different to the CF card bit. Think about it mate the only difference is the shooting in RAW since both versions were with the same camera ;o).

Kenny you are right about needing more storage space on the hard drive but in doing the last big stitch I reckon I'm going to have to give my PC some more RAM to cope otherwise I'll be sat waiting for and compilation to complete before I can get online or do anything else. :o)

I'm dlighted you also like it OJ1br@

Cheers guys :o)

Kenny Wharton on February 13, 2013

Well Sam now I know why the lights in my house keep going dim, it's all that electricity you are using for processing power. At least if you print off this photo and hold it up I will be able to see it from here at Stockton!



Neil Grimwood on February 13, 2013

Ok you two, i'm glad i gave you both a chuckle. Yep, you do need extra storage which i have..1TB ext. hard drive.. but forgot about.

My lights go dim at times Kenny, and i don't mean the ones in the house;-)))

Alireza Javaheri on February 17, 2013


  • Nice shot & Beautiful photo …


  • LIKE – Best wishes


Yorkshire Sam on February 19, 2013

Copy and paste again Alireza, are you too lazy to add a genuine appropriate comment ?

If you want me to come and comment on your uploads then you'll have to do better than this.

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  • Uploaded on February 11, 2013
  • © All Rights Reserved
    by Yorkshire Sam
    • Camera: Canon EOS 5D Mark II
    • Taken on 2013/02/09 16:04:32
    • Exposure: 1.600s
    • Focal Length: 55.00mm
    • F/Stop: f/14.000
    • ISO Speed: ISO125
    • Exposure Bias: 0.00 EV
    • No flash